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inforgasm [Jul. 15th, 2005|07:36 pm]
Lindsey Kuper

Bryan cerulicante wrote a protected journal entry that I very much enjoyed reading. I wanted him to make it public, so that I'd be able to share it with people, too. He didn't want to do that, but he suggested that I copy and paste it if I wanted to.

But I...just...can't. The idea of duplicating information in a hypertext system is almost morally offensive to me -- especially if you're not even adding any new information, and especially if the copies aren't connected. But I couldn't figure out how to explain why, so I hit up Google. The first thing I found was this article about writing for hypertext media, which wasn't what I was looking for, but which is awesome. Then I tried some well-placed quotation marks and found OSMIC, which is completely off the hook and entirely awesome:

HYPERTIME!!!

And so, then, I Googled transclusion and found my Holy Grail. And then this. I finally can name my demons!

Transclusion has been widely misunderstood. A logical structure rather than an implementation method, transclusion is a special kind of inclusion by reference, which people tend to mistake either for a kind of link, or for "only one copy of anything." It means neither of these. It means tracking all the manifestations of any data, and keeping them connected to their virtual cosmic original, throughout the docuverse.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Time to go running!

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[User Picture]From: jwithington
2005-07-16 02:24 am (UTC)

see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

just because it is online doesn't mean you should have to/be able to link to it.
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[User Picture]From: cerulicante
2005-07-16 06:20 am (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

I enjoy cluttering up the Internet with things...and I am apparently gaining an extra gig of transfer per WEEK from Dreamhost, so I need to use that or I'm wasting it...plus they're growing my diskspace, too.


143 GB of transfer per month....and growing 1 GB per WEEK. My god, what hath my webhost wrought?
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[User Picture]From: cerulicante
2005-07-16 06:31 am (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

Close.


I started with 120GB transfer and 2400MB disk space. They added 20MB/month diskspace and 1GB/transfer per week retroactively so now it's up to 145GB of transfer per month and 2900MB of diskpace.




So posting text files is fine by me. Anyone need some bandwidth donated or files hosted?
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[User Picture]From: lindseykuper
2005-07-16 02:58 pm (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

Well, the part that's hard for me is that it's okay to copy and paste what was in the original, and it's even okay for him to publish the original somewhere else, but it's not okay to link to the original.

The original is so much richer. But it turns out that that's exactly why he doesn't allow linking to the original. He would prefer that his name and user info (not to mention a whole bunch of even deeper information about him, i.e., the rest of the journal, and a bunch of information that's in some way related to him, i.e., everything he's ever linked to from the journal) not be publicly connected to it.

I can understand and respect the need for privacy. But at the same time, all that other connected and related information is half of what makes anything on the web interesting. I mean, I wouldn't be nearly as enthusiastic about linking to something, if that thing in turn wasn't linked to a bunch of other things.

It probably makes me sound cold and unfeeling to a lot of people when I speak of things my friends have written as "information". But, well, I'm passionate about information. =)
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[User Picture]From: jwithington
2005-07-16 11:22 pm (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

OH! i get it now!

i am posting from my NEW ROOM! EEE!

ahem.

p.s. i recommend north portland. wrigs is here, after all. :-)
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[User Picture]From: lindseykuper
2005-07-16 11:52 pm (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

Your new digs look amazing.
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[User Picture]From: jwithington
2005-07-17 01:34 am (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

i gotta say, i'm gonna get spoiled.
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[User Picture]From: cerulicante
2005-07-18 03:08 am (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

I write a lot of stuff that's not protected, but my lust for the privacy of my emotions comes from getting burnt a bunch of times when I was indiscreet about separating my expression from my identity.


There will be a few more nice pieces that are public and you're welcome to link to the original. The best of them will be mirrored on my site, so people can read them and listen to my podcasts.
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[User Picture]From: underwhelm
2005-07-20 01:40 pm (UTC)

Re: see also: paranoid, they're not after you.

I might argue that if it can't be linked to, it isn't wholly on the internet. It's in some bastard fractal dimension.
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[User Picture]From: oniugnip
2008-11-23 06:06 am (UTC)
Security Tim neuroticmonk has spent some time thinking about exactly this problem -- he cares a lot about large-scale document management for big organizations like companies... like, how can you be sure you've got the latest copy of a document? Or what's the best way to include a paragraph from somewhere else in your writeup?

... maybe they need a Xanadu instance over there at Citrix :) I think the Goog could certainly benefit from one.
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